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#81
HorseBoard Forums / CONTEST: Give Me The Fifth in ...
Last post by Horse’s Rear - Mar 03, 2024, 02:19 PM
A simple, fun $2 Win contest. Any track, handicap the sixth race and put $2 Win on your FIFTH CHOICE. Not your first choice, your fifth. Let's try and get some prices.
#82
HorseBoard Forums / Re: Good to see y'all
Last post by Horse’s Rear - Mar 03, 2024, 02:05 PM
Now, it's a party!
#83
HorseBoard Forums / Re: Good to see y'all
Last post by Tom Ferguson - Mar 02, 2024, 03:26 PM
Broke outward for the track kitchen at the start, outran the 2/5 favorite, but lost by a neck. It's a great game -- unchanged since we last spoke. Well, changed a LOT. But, you know ...
#84
HorseBoard Forums / Good to see y'all
Last post by Tom Ferguson - Mar 02, 2024, 03:21 PM
I was coming in from valet parking after the fourth race and some guy who clearly hadn't done well in the early pick four handed me his PPs and said, "Here. I hope you have better luck than I did. BTW, HorseBoard is back." So I asked the tout selling sheets over by Garbage Can #14 and he verified it. The porter in the Clubhouse men's bathroom had the web address stowed in his sock and shared it. So here I am.
Can't remember what my handle was back in the good old days. Easiest just to use my name.
I'm looking at Into Champagne here in the eighth at Gulfstream.
Always the degenerate, I don't even remember the stakes name.
At least I didn't use the saddlecloth number.
#85
HorseBoard Forums / Re: Glad to see the "HB" is ba...
Last post by StormyPeak - Mar 02, 2024, 02:22 PM
Hi : )

Glad to see so many names showing up here. 

I also had to pull back a bit on the various forums I was posting it...back issues and my computer chair just don't get along with each other. 

I also lost track of the horses...but perhaps with Horseboard 2.0 up and running my interest will once again be sparked.  I am even thinking that next year, IF I don't get hammered by unexpected bills.  I might be able to save up $100 and deposit it into a on-line wagering site...probably Twin Spires, as I think they are legal in Idaho. 

I was at YouBet, but closed my account when I ended up in a wheelchair for 4 months and knew I had to get on disability. Disability doesn't leave but a few dollars after bills are paid.   

I think YouBet was bought out by Twin Spires some years ago. Anyways, I did enjoy looking over PPs on Friday nights and making 2 to 6 bets on Saturday.

Stormy
   
#86
HorseBoard Forums / Glad to see the "HB" is back ....
Last post by De Troll - Mar 02, 2024, 10:17 AM

 ....... been a minute .. since I've talked to anyone about horses ..  8) To be honest I haven't been following the races much at all.. As I'm aging out .. and spend more time with health concerns .. the horses have fallen to the lower end of my priority list..
     Last week I watched the Fairgrounds Derby Prep .. first race I watched in over a year.. Had no idea "who was what" ..?

 ....... hope all is well with you folks
RoMo   
#87
HorseBoard Forums / Re: Saratoga Breakdown Report
Last post by Horse’s Rear - Feb 29, 2024, 05:53 PM
Oh, one more postscript.

Of the horses who died catastrophically at Saratoga, two were making their next start after the same race.

Some people handicap key races; what are the chances that two horses exiting the same race will both break down catastrophically in their next starts.

HISA's report takes no notice of this anomaly, much less does it address the question of how one should consider the role of immediately prior races in analyzing breakdowns.
#88
HorseBoard Forums / Re: Saratoga Breakdown Report
Last post by Horse’s Rear - Feb 29, 2024, 05:49 PM
Let me start with a disclaimer right up front: I think that in the long history of bad things racing has done to itself, HISA is one of the worst, and may prove to be the last. It is testimony to the damage people with good intentions can do when they throw their weight behind a coalition of the ignorant and malevolent; and we are only beginning to start what will be a cascading of crises and self-harm that flows from good intentions.

Not surprisingly, I see this report as further evidence of that. HISA purports to be a neutral body bent on "saving" the industry. But as that rhetoric suggests, it is heavily tilted to White Hat/Black Hat oversimplifying reformist zeal that characterized so much reckless discussion at TBC decades ago.

What HISA has been doing has been targeting medication positives, running some small barns out of the business completely, and (less noticeably) providing a screen for major stakeholders like CDI, Stronach, and NYRA.

It's easy to see why they need to do that, as those stakeholders have effectively driven everyone else (except the Cella family) out of business; and if they fail (as all are currently doing) it all implodes quickly.

So I come to this report expecting that it will tell me two things: the track is not responsible; and trainers are. My own view, going in, is that three or four causes are likely to have converged: weather, track condition, questionable horsemanship, and overly aggressive actions by human agents at all levels.  To those, one could also add bad fortune, if one believes in such things (as I do).

One of the first direct statements is this: " HISA did not find any rule violations but did identify several contributing risk factors."

No rule violations. Yet that finding is quickly followed by a recommendation for additional restrictions on therapeutic treatment, saying that since 3/11 catastrophic breakdowns occurred on horses who had received shockwave treatment within 30 days of racing, the window of prohibition should be extended from its current two weeks out to 30 days out.

There are problems with that reasoning, but without even getting into that, I am struck how a finding that every barn was in compliance with regulation leads to a call for additional regulation.  This is the precise opposite of how the reviews the responsibility of track management:

"The investigation did not find any issues related to the maintenance of the track surfaces, finding the protocols to be consistent with standard operating procedures."

Here, it is sufficient to note that protocols were followed. No suggestion is entertained that those protocols are inadequate.

Yet the most high-profile catastrophic breakdown, the heartbreaking death of Maple Leaf Mel occurred the day after the track had to cancel the second half of the card due to torrential rain.

That was the culmination of the greatest inundation in a meet marked not only by multiple breakdowns, but multiple significant rainfalls. And yet the surface Maple Leaf Mel died on was labeled fast.

That's especially important when you consider that the statistical analysis used to evaluate the role of track condition relied on that labeling as a key metric. If there's interest, we might discuss this and other topics in more detail, but I mostly wanted to point to the quite different ways in which HISA frame responsibility, and what that's likely to mean for the reformist trajectory and its chances of success.
#89
HorseBoard Forums / Re: Saratoga Breakdown Report
Last post by Horse’s Rear - Feb 29, 2024, 05:14 PM
Time flies when you're my age. The breakdowns were just last year (2023).

Here's a link to the report:
http://i.bloodhorse.com/pdfs/HISA_SaratogaReport.pdf
#90
HorseBoard Forums / Saratoga Breakdown Report
Last post by Horse’s Rear - Feb 29, 2024, 05:06 PM
There are several topics of conversation that I would be interested in raising, but I will start with the recently issued report on the rash of breakdowns at Saratoga in (I believe) 2022.

I am starting there because it's easy to start this conversation quickly, and I am sure some will have thoughts. I will be back in a reply (assuming this posts) with a link to the report, and some initial thoughts to prompt discussion.